lyrics of the every line, i have loved.

The only thing i have to say is that Isaac and modest mouse crew are not the same "The Lone Some Crowded West" guys, I mean, they´re not longer in their 20´s, and not even teen agers... vision changes, so does the perception and personally Im ok with everything Isaac does, because I just like it.

Talking about songs like "The World At Large", I think its a very nice song, I have seen people falling apart while listening; what I mean is that an artist cant always be doing the same thing for ever, and I really like how they´ve been growing.

I know theres the other part about songs like "Float On", but like I see, they are now at mainstream, and in many ways that means changes in the band itself, and in their music, I think Isaac and the band work together and hard with out thinking: "hey! we need to make it sound like this, because it will sell better", I know they are still THE indie band, but they only do their job and big labels do theirs job as well: they say "Float On and Dashboard will be the fist singles..." and make many other decisions.

Well I say: I thinks it´s just a matter of taste because I know Float On and Dashboard among others are not as good lyrically but I still like them, as I like Breakthrough, Broke, Intersatate 8, Night On The Sun and many others...

yall be wrong. I'm the best I deeeeeed it!

On one point i have to agree with Breeinreallife, that they are growing and changing as a band. I mean if you read and watch interviews that have been taken over the years you can see a big change. In the beginning isaac was usually blown outa his mind, almost if he would've had one more or one less drink or hit or whatever that the album could've been completely different. now he seems to be calmed down alot, saying that the only dugs he does now are booz and pot. He also has a kid and is really damn close, if it hasnt already happened, to marraige(yes, im sorry ladies). Its not that the lyrics are on the back burner, but that they(mainly
Isaac, though not to under rate the regulars like eric judy, or any of the stand-ins for that matter, becuase there have been so many people in and out over the years) have matured greatly and i believe that the lyrics still hold a big higher meaning, even good news.

I kind of agree, I think Lonesome crowded west was their best album but that doesnt mean that the rest of their sounds are too terribly bad.
I think that as theyve made different and newer albums, theyve grown and changed as a band.
Thats why their sound is different.

has a hick mouth. When i watch him sing and talk i cant take it. They all look like redneck goths.

kids don't care about the economy.
that's bullshit.
and billy joe armstrong doesn't understand politics, love, or really music oustide of 8 or 9 arrangements of power chord. jesus of suburbia actually rips off johnny cash. not references, straight up rips off ring of fire.
but the cool thing about hot topic is regardless of intelligence, ANYONE willing to fellate a record label the way greenday did gets to be a teen idol for about 5 minutes.
billy spent his 5 minutes telling us about how George bush wants to blow up the Eiffel tower and how your parents are the reason you have problems.

most kids hated the presidents after the stock market crashed. Which happened a year after he became president. And that stock market crash resulted in the biggest unemployment rise. So all the kids were modeling after what had just happened to their fathers. Personally, i didnt know what the f*** Green Day was talking about in that entire album.

my statement was that the band's material was mostly about being an angry, rebellious teen.
that's what anthem pt 2 is ABOUT.
also, it's off of the same CD as wreckless abandon,
'take off your pants and jacket'
which is really less pop-punky than their eponymous effort.

and on green day- 'know your enemy' this new single- is SO f***ING REPETITIVE. i can't listen to it at all. and the problem is, an ENTIRE generation of tweens heard american idiot and just BOUGHT the democratic party without a second thought- like, ONE big anti-bush album, and whether they even UNDERSTAND politics or not, every kid hates the president and wants you to vote for john kerry.

pt 2 was on their "pop punk" album. So I cant agree with your statement about them. But i can agree with what you said about Green Day. Green Day is just an embarassment now.

green day n the late 80s-1998 was genuine punk. dookie remains one of my favourite albums.
when i heard they were working on an effort called 'american idiot' and i saw their homepage turn into an iconic heart-shaped grenade, my heart skipped beats. i FLIPPED. NEW f***ing greenday, and it seems like from the 15 second clip they played on the radio to tease, billy joe was as much a badass as he had ever been, and this 'jesus of suburbia' was supposed to blow 'good riddance' out of the water in terms of lyrical depth. NO. they regressed! a band that was MUCH too old to be a part of the new scene that the companies had brewing, was suddenly singing songs about how terrible it is to be a teen in an upper middle class family! GREENDAY was wearing black dress shirts, crimson ties, and EYE LINER. keeping your age and audience and material in harmony is essential.

and BLINK! they wrote about being a young rebel! 'wreckless abandon' and 'anthem, pt.2' BLEW my mind. but they realized that the only way to keep the band together once they were all 30 was to put the pop in pop punk, and for the sake of the music, they broke up. blink's swan song in San Clemente was my first show.

i think modest mouse is one of those bands where the music will keep coming because they are capable of growth as artists, capable of changing, not with the scene or the times, but just GROWING independent of outside stimuli. if there are secret lyrical references to older albums in newer songs, if there is a change in tone and even a sort of sadness, missing the old stage of their relationship with the music, i think it is because they understand that like them, WE are capable of changing, of understanding the music. the fans are as young as they were before, it's not like no one young is listening, but the kids that the music appeals to are different from the kids who listen to other bands- someone who is a blood heavy modest mouse fan has a more sophisticated musical palate then someone who listens to 'bring me the horizon'.

If he wrote every single song with that sharp, dark sarcasm, it would get pretty old once he was on his 5th album. Which is exactly why he might've changed. OR he doesnt think he changed, and us saying this stuff is just hurting his feelings You cant talk crap about how a band has changed for the worst, otherwise they might just quit. Who wants that? I sure dont. I havent even been to a modest mouse concert yet. They never play near me. Or its always on a school day.

I think the lyrics have evolved in a way, although I always will prefer the darker, isolated and more raw emotions of their earlier songs. Float On and Florida don't live up to the lyrical content of their older work, it still has that bitingly sharp sarcasm that Isaac always manages to incorporate. But it's not like they have forgotten about their old stuff. I mean, Spitting Venom recycles a lyrics and a chord sequence, yet at the same time manages to sound completely new and awesome.

Modest Mouse is definetly going in the right direction, and as tahoes has said, you can't really stay the angsty teenager you were in the nineties well into adulthood. A good example would be what my sister said the other day. She used to love the band No Doubt back in the nineties and always go to concerts, but she recently went to a reuinion concert and said it was odd watching Gwen sing songs from back then because they were all about her dealings with the bassist (I think) relationship wise, and now she's all grown up.

Now, given, they did break-up and get back together so they didn't make any new music, but it's the same type of thing. A band can't keep staying on the same track in lyrical content as it ages cause then their age outgrows it, or maybe that was a bad example? Probably was. Ooops.

what ovaltine said. In these past two albums, the lyrics change your mood. Blame it on the Tetons, The World At Large, Missed the Boat. All those songs arent how the band used to be, but they change just like the world. And Modest Mouse changed for the better. You cant be a teenaged band filled with hate all your life. Now that they are older, you can hear happy/sad/EPIC in every song. The lyrics are more genius now.

really? you think so?
i like the newer lines we hear- modest mouse used to be much more melancholy than they are now, it's still sad, but it's that sad where you're so pissed off and sarcastic and spiteful that you're laughing.
i think Brock has more of a gun than he used to.
(nirvana reference FTW)

i also think that the newer melodies and compositional structures are preferable- crooning harmonized vocals and simplistic guitar from earlier records were awesome, but the new sound is somehow more refined without seeming polished.

plus there's more soul. that's clearly debatable, but 'long drive' is something you understand when you're in that mood- 'we were dead' CHANGES your mood- it makes you feel indignant and f***ed over and pissed and at the same time like the only way you're gonna get over it is to turn the music up and JAM in your boxers.

the lovecraftian nautical theme is reminiscent of ill-fated pirate punk from the 80s and maybe it's that sort of obsolete imagery, boats and sea monsters and angry port towns, that makes the theme of the album as forlorn as it really is- we UNDERSTAND the character of the song, we don't need some ballad to tell us about the antagonist in 'parting of the sensory' because we just f***ing GET it. you know?

now maybe you approve more of the older sound or the older words, but to say that the creative juices behind the songwriting are 'falling by the wayside' just seems like whining to me.

not that we don't have anything to whine about- modest hitting the mainstream means i have to deal with a LOT more people i don't like who think my tee shirt makes me their buddy.